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and feeble. >> conrad? >> conrad, that's exactly right. i don't know how you would assess manning or snowden when you throw them in that mix because both of those have to be looked at. that's what it was in 2004. >> i appreciate that. david, your thoughts? >> i can't put a ranking on how bad he was but he was bad and the damage he did was considerable because he passed hundreds of documents, secret documents, to the russians and did so over a long period of time. in addition, he did betray three people, two of whom were executed. they were also betrayed by al gr dritch ames in terms of people executed or imprisoned, i would think that ames had a higher number. there were ten that he detrayed who are no longer living and many others who went to prison. in the case of hanssen, as mike as pointed out, there were technical secrets that he gave away that the russians were very happy to have and are very important. the biggest, of course, was the secret tunnel under the russian soviet and then russian embassy on wisconsin avenue in washington which was built by the fbi, operated by the nsa. it was
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